“In dozens of top-secret talks and meetings in the White House, the most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency, sources tell ABC News.
The so-called Principals who participated in the meetings also approved the use of “combined” interrogation techniques — using different techniques during interrogations, instead of using one method at a time — on terrorist suspects who proved difficult to break, sources said.
Highly placed sources said a handful of top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects — whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding.
The high-level discussions about these “enhanced interrogation techniques” were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed — down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.
The advisers were members of the National Security Council’s Principals Committee, a select group of senior officials who met frequently to advise President Bush on issues of national security policy.
At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
As the national security adviser, Rice chaired the meetings, which took place in the White House Situation Room and were typically attended by most of the principals or their deputies.
Contacted by ABC News today, spokesmen for Tenet, Rumsfeld and Powell declined to comment about the interrogation program or their private discussions in Principals Meetings. Powell said through an assistant there were “hundreds of [Principals] meetings” on a wide variety of topics and that he was “not at liberty to discuss private meetings.”
The White House also declined comment on behalf of Rice and Cheney. Ashcroft could not be reached for comment today.
Critics at home and abroad have harshly criticized the interrogation program, which pushed the limits of international law and, they say, condoned torture. Bush and his top aides have consistently defended the program. They say it is legal and did not constitute torture.”
Of course why comment on a story with “high placed sources” which of course cannot be identified…..Oooooooh
In any case even IF they met to discuss such techniques so what? I doubt they had a hand raise, “All in favor of waterboarding the hell out of them say “Aye”", although that’s what get the goose pimples rising on the left.
This article is fill with such “convenient filler” that there is no time to cover it all. But this is hilarious, or more scripted, like a Oliver Stone movie.
“Sources said that at each discussion, all the Principals present approved.
“These discussions weren’t adding value,” a source said. “Once you make a policy decision to go beyond what you used to do and conclude it’s legal, (you should) just tell them to implement it.”
Then-Attorney General Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said.
According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: “Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.”
The Principals also approved interrogations that combined different methods, pushing the limits of international law and even the Justice Department’s own legal approval in the 2002 memo, sources told ABC News.
At one meeting in the summer of 2003 — attended by Vice President Cheney, among others — Tenet made an elaborate presentation for approval to combine several different techniques during interrogations, instead of using one method at a time, according to a highly placed administration source.”
Sounds like these “sources” are mostly likely more CIA rouges, still sore at getting “slamed dunked” via the 911 Commission Report and are now launching their final salvo against the White House. There is nothing inherently wrong with the President of the United States and his key advisors having such discussions on what to do with the tiny little fact the article misses that these were TERRORISTS that wanted to kill AMERICANS.
But then neither the author of the article nor the leftist usual suspects that are holding it up as an indictment could care less about that.
3 Responses
piniella
April 10th, 2008 at 7:02 am
1The problem with their logic is that it is AGAINST THE LAW.
In his torture memo, Yoo went through some of the legal precedents but omitted arguably the most important one, Youngstown v. Sawyer, 343, U.S. 579 (1952). In this case, the Supreme Court set limits to Executive power, even in time of war, and those limits were ignored by the criminal Bush regime. looseheadprop at FireDogLake has more detail.
Macranger
April 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am
2Amateur lawyers at FDL aside, the opinion in Youngstown v. Sawyer, which was the Government’s attempt to o avert a nation-wide strike of steel workers in April 1952, isn’t even remotely similar in scope. Additionally subsequent rulings notwithstanding the War Powers act give the President authority.
Sorry, no dice.
retire05
April 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
3Mac, Rick Moran over at RightWing Nut House has got his Hanes all in a wad over this article today. Then, when questioned on the legality of CodePinkos waterboarding each other, he goes into the senario that if waterboarding is accepted willingly, it does not constitute torture. Take a trip over there and see how the “moral” authoritarians are all in a twit.
My question was “if CodePinkos are waterboarding each other, should they not be prosecuted for crimes against humanity?” Hence, Rick’s “approval” rational.
I’m thinking my name is Mark Lundsford and John Cuey has my daughter. My first question to the police “have you waterboarded him yet?”
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